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DanM64
post Oct 7 2009, 11:51 AM
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My rear climate control doesn't seem to change temperature, just stays at a constant. I've tried with both the overhead control and the Aux control, it doesn' make a difference. I assume it's the temp control actuator or whatever it's called in the back beind the interior panel, right? If not, what else could it be, and if so, what's the best way to test to be sure that's the problem, it's getting to be colder, and I love having rear heat even when it's only me in it because the truck will warm up much faster!


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post Oct 7 2009, 12:04 PM
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Definitely check the rear blend actuator. This is probably your culprit.


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post Oct 7 2009, 01:47 PM
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CG, what is the proper way to check it? Should I just pick up a new one and see it that solves my problem, or is there an easy way to bench test it?


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post Oct 7 2009, 02:09 PM
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If you unscrew it and have the electrical connections connected, you should be able to rotate the blend control (set the front to Aux control if you use the rear controller) and watch it move. It may be easier if you have someone else help turn the knob.


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post Oct 8 2009, 09:06 AM
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Thanks CG, I'll hopefully get to it in the next week or so. I'll let everyone know how it turns out!


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post Oct 13 2009, 02:14 PM
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Could be the actuator but more likely the Aux HVAC control module (GM part # 15832319). I just went through this on my 06 Tahoe Z71 and replacing the module fixed the problem. TSB covering the problem, with part numbers, listed below:


#06-01-39-015A: Unable to Control Rear HVAC Temperature or Modes, Intermittent Ticking Noise from Rear HVAC Actuators or Rear HVAC DTCs B0434 or B3764 (Replace Auxiliary HVAC Control Module) - (Jan 12, 2007)


Subject: Unable To Control Rear HVAC Temperature Or Modes, Intermittent Ticking Noise From Rear HVAC Actuators Or Rear HVAC DTCs B0434 Or B3764 (Replace Auxiliary HVAC Control Module)


Models: 2003-2006 Cadillac Escalade Models

2003-2006 Chevrolet Suburban, Tahoe

2003-2006 GMC Yukon Models

with Automatic Control HVAC System and Rear A/C (RPOs CJ2 and C69)

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This bulletin is being revised to correct one of the blower motor control module part numbers. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 06-01-39-015 (Section 01 -- HVAC).

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Condition
Some customers may comment on one or more of the following conditions:

An intermittent ticking/clicking noise from the rear Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning (HVAC) system.

Unable to control rear HVAC system temperature.

Unable to change rear HVAC system modes.

Technicians may find that Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) B0434 and/or B3764 have been set.

Cause
These conditions may be caused by HVAC actuators that hunt for the correct position. This cycling may cause a clicking or ticking noise.

An overtravel of the HVAC system control doors may cause one or more of the above system conditions. If an overtravel occurs, a DTC will be set, and the door will go to a preset default position.

When a system door defaults, that door will stay at the default position until the DTC is cleared. Clearing the DTC will allow the door to operate properly until the overtravel condition reoccurs. The following table lists the DTCs that may have been set and the door that is associated with that code.

Overtravel DTC
System Door Affected

B0434
Auxiliary (rear) Air Temperature Actuator

B3764
Auxiliary (rear) Mode Actuator


Correction
Technicians are to replace the auxiliary (rear) HVAC control module with the part number listed in the table below. Refer to the Auxiliary Heater and Air Conditioning Control Module Replacement procedure in SI for more information. This module contains a new calibration to compensate for the actuator overtravel condition and the hunting/clicking noises. The new calibration effectively eliminates DTCs B0434 and B3764. The new control module also eliminates the default position of the doors associated with the DTC. The new control module will allow door travel from counts 0 to 255 without setting a DTC or defaulting the door.

The new auxiliary HVAC control module is compatible with either the first or second design blower motor control module. When using the new auxiliary HVAC control module, the customer may notice a slight increase in the rear blower motor speed (approximately 50 rpm) at a given setting, as compared to the blower motor speed at the same setting with the original HVAC control module. If the customer comments that the increase in blower speed at a given setting is objectionable, the blower motor control module may be replaced with the second design part listed below to correct the slight increase in speed.

The revised auxiliary HVAC control module should not be used unless one or both of the DTCs are set or one or more of the conditions listed above are present. The revised auxiliary HVAC control module will not correct any other DTC or Air Conditioning (A/C) performance concern.

Parts Information
Auxiliary HVAC Control Module Part Number
Description
Qty

15832319
Module Assembly-Auxiliary Heater & A/C Control
1


The blower motor control modules listed below should not be used unless the customer finds the change in blower speeds between the original and the new auxiliary HVAC control modules objectionable.

Blower Motor Control Modules Part Number
Part Description
Vehicle Application
Quantity

89024926
Module Assembly, Auxiliary Heater & A/C Control (Auxiliary Blower Motor Control Module) (Second Design)
Escalade, Tahoe, Yukon (vehicles with a short wheelbase)
1

89018849
Module Assembly, Auxiliary Heater & A/C Control (Auxiliary Blower Motor Control Module) (Second Design)
Escalade ESV, Suburban, Yukon XL (vehicles with a long wheelbase)
1


Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:

Labor Operation
Description
Labor Time

D0901
Module, HVAC Control-Auxiliary - Replace
Use Published Labor Operation Time

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post Oct 13 2009, 03:00 PM
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Crap... My truck started doing the clicking sound in the rear... dry.gif


"• An intermittent ticking/clicking noise from the rear Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning (HVAC) system."

Hey Cdarnell

how hard is this unit to replace?

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post Oct 20 2009, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE (snarkes @ Oct 13 2009, 03:00 PM) *
Crap... My truck started doing the clicking sound in the rear... dry.gif


" An intermittent ticking/clicking noise from the rear Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning (HVAC) system."

Hey Cdarnell

how hard is this unit to replace?


Take off the rear passenger side panel in the cargo area and the control module is right there. It has two blue clips where the wiring connects. Easy swap.

Here's a link with a picture...

http://z71tahoe-suburban.com/iboard/index....showtopic=14892
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post Oct 20 2009, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE (east302 @ Oct 20 2009, 09:24 PM) *
Take off the rear passenger side panel in the cargo area and the control module is right there. It has two blue clips where the wiring connects. Easy swap.

Here's a link with a picture...

http://z71tahoe-suburban.com/iboard/index....showtopic=14892


AMAZING! so this stopped that clicking/whirring/buzzing sound that was coming from back there? from the looks of your picture I'd say the trouble module is number 2 like it was for you (at least thats the area that the sound is coming from on mine).

I see you had issues when you went to replace it with it not working properly. What did you end up doing to make it work?


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post Oct 21 2009, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE (snarkes @ Oct 20 2009, 09:43 PM) *
QUOTE (east302 @ Oct 20 2009, 09:24 PM) *
Take off the rear passenger side panel in the cargo area and the control module is right there. It has two blue clips where the wiring connects. Easy swap.

Here's a link with a picture...

http://z71tahoe-suburban.com/iboard/index....showtopic=14892


AMAZING! so this stopped that clicking/whirring/buzzing sound that was coming from back there? from the looks of your picture I'd say the trouble module is number 2 like it was for you (at least thats the area that the sound is coming from on mine).

I see you had issues when you went to replace it with it not working properly. What did you end up doing to make it work?


My picture in that thread was a little hard to see. Here's a better one...



1- Hot/Cold actuator
2- Floor/Ceiling actuator
3- Control module #15832319 with the two blue clips

I first replaced the control module and the actuator quit hunting but stayed in one place. I then replaced the hot/cold actuator and it's been working ever since...knock on wood. I guess both parts were bad?? Dunno why it worked like that.

I do have another one of these actuators under my driver side dash that ticks when you select a floor/dash vent combination. It drives me nuts but looks like a real bear to get to so I haven't fooled with it.

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QUOTE (east302 @ Oct 21 2009, 10:25 AM) *
My picture in that thread was a little hard to see. Here's a better one...



1- Hot/Cold actuator
2- Floor/Ceiling actuator
3- Control module #15832319 with the two blue clips

I first replaced the control module and the actuator quit hunting but stayed in one place. I then replaced the hot/cold actuator and it's been working ever since...knock on wood. I guess both parts were bad?? Dunno why it worked like that.

I do have another one of these actuators under my driver side dash that ticks when you select a floor/dash vent combination. It drives me nuts but looks like a real bear to get to so I haven't fooled with it.


That does clear things up a bit. So I'm fairly certain that I need to replace the control module (3)... does the module going bad make the actuator go bad as well? Looking at these it shouldnt be too hard to replace both and the part (at least the module) is only 70 bucks at gmpartsdirect.com

That hunting (whirs/buzzes/clicks) is just real annoying when theres no music on even though its pretty faint. I honestly havent even gotten in the back to see what if any issues my rear ac has.


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post Aug 12 2010, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE (snarkes @ Oct 21 2009, 08:49 AM) *
QUOTE (east302 @ Oct 21 2009, 10:25 AM) *
My picture in that thread was a little hard to see. Here's a better one...



1- Hot/Cold actuator
2- Floor/Ceiling actuator
3- Control module #15832319 with the two blue clips

I first replaced the control module and the actuator quit hunting but stayed in one place. I then replaced the hot/cold actuator and it's been working ever since...knock on wood. I guess both parts were bad?? Dunno why it worked like that.

I do have another one of these actuators under my driver side dash that ticks when you select a floor/dash vent combination. It drives me nuts but looks like a real bear to get to so I haven't fooled with it.


That does clear things up a bit. So I'm fairly certain that I need to replace the control module (3)... does the module going bad make the actuator go bad as well? Looking at these it shouldnt be too hard to replace both and the part (at least the module) is only 70 bucks at gmpartsdirect.com

That hunting (whirs/buzzes/clicks) is just real annoying when theres no music on even though its pretty faint. I honestly havent even gotten in the back to see what if any issues my rear ac has.



I replaced all three of these and it still doesnt work.


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QUOTE (04BlackZ71 @ Aug 12 2010, 05:40 PM) *
I replaced all three of these and it still doesnt work.


QUOTE (cdarnell @ Oct 13 2009, 04:14 PM) *
When a system door defaults, that door will stay at the default position until the DTC is cleared. Clearing the DTC will allow the door to operate properly until the overtravel condition reoccurs. The following table lists the DTCs that may have been set and the door that is associated with that code.


Maybe try to disconnect the battery to clear the code.


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Try this to re-calibrate. Worked for me to stop the ticking on the front actuator.

http://z71tahoe-suburban.com/iboard/index....st&p=373243
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I'm also having the issue with the rear climate control. I can switch modes from floor to blend to ceiling, it's just the temp won't change. It just blows cold. I'm assuming that because I can switch modes, fan speeds, etc, the control module is still ok, just the hot/cold actuator has failed?


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That would be what I'd would check first if everything else works.


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Cool, I'll give that a shot!!


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Well, got my new hot/cold actuator today and it doesn't seem to be doing the trick. And as far as I can tell, it's not even moving, even the new one. Wonder if the control module is out. Would the module still have a chance of being the culprit even though I can switch other modes?

Also, since I have performed the calibration, I get the ticking noise in the front unit sad.gif


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I hope you didnt plug the actuater in before you installed it on the AC box....for some reason they dont work when you do that (wont work ever again) I got lucky a couple times and the dealer exchanged them before I figured the error of my ways.

Does the ticking noise sound like its behind the steering wheel area? If yes there is yet another acuator there, its called the "Mode actuator" and it controls where the vents the air flow goes too. The mode actator is much cheaper than the temp actuators.


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QUOTE (Joe1129uscg @ Oct 29 2010, 07:45 PM) *
I hope you didnt plug the actuater in before you installed it on the AC box....for some reason they dont work when you do that (wont work ever again) I got lucky a couple times and the dealer exchanged them before I figured the error of my ways.

Does the ticking noise sound like its behind the steering wheel area? If yes there is yet another acuator there, its called the "Mode actuator" and it controls where the vents the air flow goes too. The mode actator is much cheaper than the temp actuators.



I put the actuator in place, put the screws in and then plugged in the electrical harness. Then I went and pulled the under-hood HVAC/ECAS fuse for a little more than 10 seconds, plugged it back in, started the engine and let it run for a minute or so. Then I started adjusting the temps in the rear only to find nothing changed.

Then I disconnected the battery for about half an hour, hoping to clear any codes if any were set, and also perform another reset - still no dif.

As far as the clicking in the front, yes, that is where it is coming from. Also, it seems as if the driver side fan blows faster than the passenger fan.

I may end up just taking it in...I'm getting up against the wire when it comes to ordering parts over the internet and finding time in the evenings to install... Leaving to go "up north" (to Michigan) in a couple weeks. Would like to have heat in the back so my daughter doesn't get too cold. Last time we went up this time of year, it got COLD once we got out of Arkansas (15 degrees F and below!) The 'hoe is a big vehicle to heat, but might have to pack her an extra blanket smile.gif

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