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Diamond Creek Road - Grand Canyon
arvetus
post Sep 30 2017, 12:41 PM
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Ok, here's a question.
How feasible is it to get a relatively stock Z71 GMT800 Suburban down the Diamond Creek Road into the Grand Canyon?
Stock suspension, no lifts and I run Cooper AT3, E-rated tires. Again, it is a Suburban...so a bit longer wheelbase.

While I know a stock Z71 can come nowhere near close to keeping up with some of the rock crawling capabilities of other off-road rigs, it is pretty capable for what it is. By the looks of it, Diamond Creek Road doesn't look any worse than some of the hunting roads and trails I traverse around here in East Texas.

Anyone done it?

I am thinking of a trip out to see my father out in Kingman, AZ next spring when the girls are out of school on spring break (mid March). Have always wanted to see the Grand Canyon and thought we'd spend a day at the South Rim at GCNP and maybe take another day and run down the Diamond Creek Road into the Indian Reservation and check it out. I realize it's two very different parts of the Canyon, but thought it might be a fun adventure for the fam if the vehicle was capable of it without tearing it up.

I've heard of people doing it in a Jeep Liberty, but said people like to brag up a little bit. Not sure how far I can throw them...

Thoughts?

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post Sep 30 2017, 02:56 PM
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Easy trails should be ok. Tight trails and obstacles would be tough for the Suburban. Jeep liberty has very short front and rear overhangs, short wheelbase and is relatively narrow. Suburban, not so much. Low difficulty trails should be fine as long as they arenít tight.

From experience, we were there about 15 years ago. Did this in a F250 crew. We stayed on the main unmaintained dirt road and it was fine. Some parts of the road was a little rough. Getting off the main trail would be a bit challenging as there are some spots with some nice size boulders that cans do some nice redecorating of the bodywork.


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post Sep 30 2017, 05:13 PM
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Cool, thanks for the info.
If you could do it in a 3/4T crew cab, I should be able to do it in a burb. I have been looking at Google Earth views and also some of the pictures that folks upload to Google Maps. I am seeing 15 passenger vans and what looks like stock pickups down there next to the Colorado on the Diamond Creek road. Even an old bus in one of the photo shots.

I definitely wouldn't get off the main road, but even though it is not maintained, it looks like it's in fairly decent shape for most of it being a dry creek bed. I definitely wouldn't try to do anything too tight...I do know the limits of the vehicle. Just looks like it might be a neat family picnic down there. And although it's nowhere near as deep there as it is at the north and south rim, my girls could go back to school and say they drove to the bottom of the Grand Canyon.

I might look into it further if the vehicle could handle it...


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post Dec 6 2017, 09:14 AM
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I have no clue on the trail you speak of, however any 4 wd will go pretty good if you have common " smarts" and have driven off road.

What gets most people is " oh its 4wd" watch this, and then stuck..

Stay out of the ruts, avoid rocks, i either go around big rocks or tires over them.. i cant tell you how many time the front diff has cleared a big rock only for the rear to hit. Take some straps, or chains, ( i use harbor freight / walmart / tractor supply straps ) only because they get lost or broken.. and a chain broke one time and about killed me. Most of the guys around here have a bubba rope or synthetic ? type of rope. they work well but are expensive. if you get the cheaper ones from above mentioned get the high lb ones. i think they have 10-15-18-30K.. etc.. i usually just use the 10-15K lb straps, some times double them up... i cant remember now but they say for a winch you need to take the curb weight and ad half when picking out a winch... so for a strap i sorta used the same math, how ever i have the 8.1L with a lift and winches and bumpers and bla bla bla.... its no light weight and we have snapped a bunch of the 10K ones... on the hand by the time i stuck a simple pull is not going to get it going.. its more brute force jerk. last outing i had a LS wrangler, a rubicon, and a toyota hooked up to get me out.

Few things to think of if your not off road a lot, and things ive found over the yeas of owing suburbans,

1) check the damn spare tire carrier to make sure it works!!!!!!!!
If not, then stop by walmart, etc and get a pack or 3 of tire plugs, and a can of slime.
of course you will need a air compressor. or get on craigs list and see if you can score a set of wheels and tires for few hunderd bucks, toss one or two in the back.

1A) check the 4wd before you leave if you have auto trac. nothing worse than half way up a trail only to find out the clutchs in the transfercase are shot.. been there done that, came back down the hill backwards like one of those bob sled race things.

2) take a hi lift jack or a real jack with you. the stock suburban jack sucks when off road.

3) washer fluid, if its mud trail... nothing sucks worse than that last spatter of mud you cant get off .

4) a come a long, i think is what they call it will also save ya if all else fails, or a hi lift jack can work.

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